Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/12/1996 01:35 PM House FIN

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  HOUSE BILL 468                                                               
                                                                               
       "An  Act  making  supplemental  appropriations for  the                 
       expenses  of state  government and making  and amending                 
       appropriations; ratifying  certain state  expenditures;                 
       and providing for an effective date."                                   
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley congratulated the Administration for keeping                 
  the supplemental budget under $20 million dollars,  although                 
  reminded  departments   that  the  supplemental   should  be                 
  allocated only for unexpected expenditures.  Co-Chair Hanley                 
  pointed out that  the Governor's  budget includes areas  for                 
  new  programs.    He  thought those  issues  would  be  more                 
  appropriately handled within next year's operating budget.                   
                                                                               
  ANNALEE  MCCONNELL,  DIRECTOR,  OFFICE  OF  MANAGEMENT   AND                 
  BUDGET,  OFFICE  OF  THE  GOVERNOR,  discussed  the  current                 
  Administration's intent to  have the  full budget funded  at                 
  the beginning  of the  fiscal year.   She  advised that  the                 
  Administration did hold the departments to tight scrutiny in                 
  the supplemental.                                                            
                                                                               
  Ms. McConnell explained two solutions which were used in the                 
  supplemental  process.   The first  being internal  shifting                 
  within a department and the other, shifted BRU's.                            
                                                                               
  Ms. McConnell  addressed two  items which  entered into  the                 
  supplemental.    The  first  was  created  by  the fire  and                 
  disaster  condition; the second budget was for leasing.  She                 
  added  that  $1.5  million dollars  had  been  designated in                 
  Section  #16  for fire  and  disasters and  recommended that                 
  there be a fund established to address those concerns to end                 
  the continual "cash flow crisis".                                            
                                                                               
  Ms. McConnell agreed that this concern could be addressed in                 
  next years operating budget.  The fire season is expected to                 
                                                                               
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  be  particularly bad  this year  because of  a  minimal snow                 
  cover in the Interior.                                                       
                                                                               
  Ms.  McConnell  noted the  anticipated  lapse in  the school                 
  foundation revenue.  The current Administration is proposing                 
  that a  portion of  that money  be used  to fix  the federal                 
  disparity.  She recommended extending the lapse date to deal                 
  with the concern of accumulated back interest.                               
                                                                               
  Ms. McConnell suggested  using savings from the  Welfare and                 
  Medicaid balance for specific investments  in child care and                 
  for the management information system updating.                              
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley  commented that language on Page 17, Lines 1                 
  & 2,  creates  a unique  way  to fund  a  fiscal note.    He                 
  recommended there be a  fiscal note on the bill  rather than                 
  pre-funding the bill through a  supplemental.  Ms. McConnell                 
  agreed, although pointed out that  this year the Legislature                 
  is on a  fast track supplemental.   She emphasized that  the                 
  supplemental  funding would  provide an opportunity  to more                 
  quickly finance an important concern.                                        
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Hanley interjected that  designation would have an                 
  impact  on  the overall  fiscal  plan.   The  funding  would                 
  address one time surplus education  formula money, showing a                 
  much larger increase the following year.  He  concluded, the                 
  less money spent this  year, the less money taken out of the                 
  Capital Budget Request  (CBR).  Ms. McConnell  asserted that                 
  this was  an expenditure which  must be made  eventually and                 
  encouraged  Committee members to  choose "good planning" and                 
  "good operational sense".                                                    
                                                                               
  Additional  information  relating   to  these  requests  are                 
  available to the  Legislature from the Office  of Management                 
  and  Budget (OMB).    Ms. McConnell  urged the  Committee to                 
  consider and pass the proposed supplementals.                                
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                 
                                                                               
  NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, BUDGET  REVIEW, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT                 
  AND BUDGET (OMB), OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, provided Committee                 
  members with a  letter listing technical corrections  to the                 
  bill.  [Attachment #1].                                                      
                                                                               
  Section    #1(a)    addresses   the    reduced   centralized                 
  administrative, Division  of Finance services  shift to  the                 
  Bethel  Public   Defender  Office  to  meet   the  increased                 
  caseloads in the amount of $49 thousand dollars.                             
                                                                               
  SHARON   BARTON,   DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF   ADMINISTRATIVE                 
  SERVICES, DEPARTMENT  OF ADMINISTRATION, explained  that the                 
  Public Defender is currently in the process of hiring.                       
                                                                               
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  ALLISON   ELGEE,   DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER,    DEPARTMENT   OF                 
  ADMINISTRATION, added that recruitment for that position has                 
  just began.   The case load growth in Bethel has always been                 
  bad, although, this  past summer the case  load "ballooned".                 
  Both offices have suffered a  tremendous turnover due to the                 
  extreme caseload responsibilities.                                           
                                                                               
  Representative  Martin  recommended moving  public defenders                 
  from a less  busy area.   Ms. Elgee agreed  if there was  an                 
  area with an  "under" utilized public defender,  noting that                 
  the Anchorage section is also growing.                                       
                                                                               
  Ms.  Slagle  spoke  to  Section  #1(b)  supplemental  budget                 
  request in the amount of $217  thousand dollars to cover the                 
  operating costs  shortage  for the  Public  Defender  agency                 
  (Rule 39  receipts for representation).   There  has been  a                 
  large  increase added to  the Anchorage lease  concern.  Ms.                 
  Elgee  clarified that Rule 39  money was that collected from                 
  felons Permanent Fund Dividends (PFD).                                       
                                                                               
  Ms. Barton  pointed out  the  600 case  increase this  year,                 
  greater than  anticipated.  Ms. Elgee stated that the fiscal                 
  note added  to the  past legislation  was for  Driving While                 
  Intoxicated (DWI)  legislation.  The  case load  projections                 
  prepared for  that bill  were underestimated  and created  a                 
  serious impact.   All  agencies impacted by  the passage  of                 
  that bill are experiencing short funding.                                    
                                                                               
  Ms. Slagle continued, Section #1(c) would provide for $356.4                 
  thousand  dollars  for  operating costs  for  the  Office of                 
  Public  Advocacy (OPA).   She  remarked that budget  is case                 
  load driven, and the Administration  has little control over                 
  it.  Ms. Slagle spoke to  the increased case loads resulting                 
  from increased police enforcement.                                           
                                                                               
  BRANT  MCGEE,  (TESTIFIED  VIA  TELECONFERENCE),  OFFICE  OF                 
  PUBLIC ADVOCACY (OPA), DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION,  agreed                 
  that the continual  increased need of services  has resulted                 
  from criminal convictions and from "children in the need  of                 
  aid" conditions.  He  emphasized that the level of  increase                 
  is dramatic.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley asked if the Governor intended to provide an                 
  amendment  to  increase  that Office's  FY97  request.   Ms.                 
  Barton  replied  that  there  has  not been  any  discussion                 
  regarding  an increase  to the  OPA FY97  budget.   Co-Chair                 
  Hanley  pointed  out  that the  combination  of  last year's                 
  funding and  the supplemental  request would  result in  $20                 
  thousand dollars greater budget than last year.                              
                                                                               
  Ms.  Slagle  continued,  Section #1(d)  would  provide  $870                 
                                                                               
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  thousand dollars to fully  fund the leasing budget.   A $1.2                 
  million dollar  shortfall was anticipated  during Conference                 
  Committee with a reduced need  of $700 thousand dollars;  an                 
  additional $96  thousand dollars  was allocated  to pay  the                 
  lease for  the Juneau support  from the Mental  Health Trust                 
  Authority.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Representative Martin  suggested cutting  that request  back                 
  from  the Mental Health  Trust Authority.   Ms. Slagle noted                 
  that the $96 thousand dollars was  not money from the Mental                 
  Health budget  or an additional  cost to the  Mental Health.                 
  That  money  is a  payment due  by the  State to  the Mental                 
  Health Trust Fund for leasing their property.                                
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 96-31, Side 2).                                            
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley asked if any leases are prepaid.                             
                                                                               
  DUGAN  PETTY,  DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF  GENERAL   SERVICES,                 
  DEPARTMENT  OF ADMINISTRATION,  responded that in  FY96, the                 
  Department prepaid $312  thousand dollars  for four  leases.                 
  He added,  the Department  has  tried to  "manage down"  the                 
  shortfall  by  offering a  prepay  incentive approach.   Mr.                 
  Petty  concluded that  whatever leverage  is available,  the                 
  Department will take advantage of it.                                        
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring asked  why the  prepaid are not  paid                 
  until the end of the fiscal year.  Mr. Petty replied that at                 
  that  point,  the  Department  knows   if  there  are  funds                 
  available  to drive discounts.   He explained  that the $312                 
  thousand  dollar  prepay  was  made  through  an  additional                 
  appropriation received for FY96.                                             
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley questioned if the FY97 leasing budget was at                 
  the full level.  Ms. Barton  stated it was the same as  FY96                 
  with the addition of this years supplemental budget request.                 
  Mr. Petty summarized  that the Division has a "challenge" to                 
  manage down the existing leases.                                             
                                                                               
  Ms.  Slagle  continued,  Section  #1(e) supplemental  budget                 
  request in the amount of $450 thousand dollars would address                 
  needs  for  the  Retirement and  Benefits  Program  to cover                 
  investment  management  fees  resulting from  a  higher than                 
  expected asset growth.                                                       
                                                                               
  Section #1(f) supplemental  budget request to ratify  a FY95                 
  over expenditure of $23.1 thousand dollars for the longevity                 
  bonus grants  from Senior  Services.   Ms. Slagle  indicated                 
  that there was adequate lapse money in other BRU's.                          
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Ms. Slagle explained  Section 2  of the supplemental  budget                 
  request in the amount of  $61.2 thousand dollars which would                 
  cover FY96 and FY97  costs for office  space in Tokyo.   The                 
  security deposit plus interest for an existing lease will be                 
  refunded and deposited into the general fund.                                
                                                                               
  GUY  BELL,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                 
  DEPARTMENT  OF COMMERCE  AND  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,  advised                 
  that  FY97 budget proposal has budgeted for the reduced cost                 
  office space.    The  refund deposit  will  be  returned  by                 
  December, 1996, and then deposited into the general fund.                    
                                                                               
  Representative Kohring  questioned the  emergency nature  of                 
  the appropriation.   Mr. Bell  responded that there  are two                 
  offices in Tokyo;  one for the  Division of Tourism and  the                 
  other, the Division  of Trade and Development,  in operation                 
  since  1965.  The supplemental would  provide funding to co-                 
  locate  the  two offices,  saving  $50 thousand  dollars per                 
  year.    Co-Chair Hanley  advised  that the  Legislature has                 
  suggested closing that office.                                               
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS                                 
                                                                               
  Ms.  Slagle spoke  to Section  #3(a) which  would provide  a                 
  decrease in training and development  funds to cover revenue                 
  sharing costs  for  the  Native  Village of  Kluti  Kaah  in                 
  northern  Alaska.  That  warrant has been  misplaced and the                 
  money continues to be due that village.                                      
                                                                               
  Ms. Slagle advised that Section #3(b) would  provide a lapse                 
  date extension for Rural Development Grants.  She noted that                 
  for FY97, the Administration has requested that these grants                 
  be included in the  CBR.  These are construction  grants for                 
  smaller communities.  This type of project is often extended                 
  past  a single fiscal year.   Co-Chair Hanley questioned how                 
  much money would be carried forward.                                         
                                                                               
  REMOND  HENDERSON,  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION   OF  ADMINISTRATIVE                 
  SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT  OF  COMMUNITY AND  REGIONAL  AFFAIRS,                 
  noted that the appropriation would be $906 thousand dollars.                 
  He  stated that  he would  provide information on  the carry                 
  forward amount to the Committee.                                             
                                                                               
  Ms. Slagle commented that Sections 3(c,d & e) were requested                 
  for capitalization of the  Rural Development Initiative Loan                 
  Fund (RDILF).   AIDEA would provide $650 thousand dollars to                 
  capitalize  that  fund.    Currently,  there  are  over  400                 
  thousand loan applications.  Mr. Henderson added, the amount                 
  of  FY97  loan payments  estimated  to be  returned  is $115                 
  thousand dollars and  the average loan is  approximately $35                 
  thousand dollars.   The  demand for  the program  has always                 
  exceeded what is available.   The supplemental appropriation                 
                                                                               
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  would allow for the  continuation of loans to be  issued for                 
  that program.                                                                
                                                                               
  Representative Martin remarked  that there will always  be a                 
  demand  for  "free"  money.   Ms.  Slagle  replied  that the                 
  supplemental request would provide funding to start programs                 
  early, weather permitting.                                                   
                                                                               
  Mr.  Henderson  responded  to  a  query   of  Representative                 
  Mulder's regarding  the types  of loans  funded through  the                 
  program.  He stated that the loans only go to communities of                 
  less that five thousand people.  The  loan funds are used to                 
  leverage other funds  from banking institutions  and private                 
  industry.    The  loans are  for  those  small business-type                 
  operations that  can create  economic development and  jobs.                 
  He emphasized that  these are  small scale  projects with  a                 
  competitive  bid process.    Mr.  Henderson summarized  that                 
  AIDEA does support the loans.                                                
                                                                               
  Mr. Henderson pointed out the interest rate on the loans was                 
  9.5%; and that to date the default rate has been zero.   The                 
  original appropriation in FY92 was for $300 thousand dollars                 
  with  an  additional  deposit from  AIDEA  of  $650 thousand                 
  dollars.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Ms. Slagle  continued, Sections 3(f&g)  supplemental request                 
  for $200 thousand dollars for the Alaska Legal Service grant                 
  in lieu of pending legal fees.  The request provides funding                 
  in anticipation of a federal dollar shortage.  Mr. Henderson                 
  noted that funding would cover the costs for a settlement of                 
  a suit.                                                                      
                                                                               
  BARBARA  RITCHIE, DEPUTY  ATTORNEY GENERAL,  CIVIL DIVISION,                 
  DEPARTMENT OF  LAW, stated  that the  request would  provide                 
  payment of attorneys  fees forward funding for  three cases.                 
  The  request would only resolve the issues between the State                 
  of Alaska and  Alaska Legal Services.  Ms. Ritchie clarified                 
  these are cases against the State.                                           
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley  inquired if Alaska Legal  Services receives                 
  money other than State  money.  Ms. Ritchie noted  that they                 
  receive  mostly  federal money  through  the  Legal Services                 
  Corporation Act.                                                             
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder  questioned why  the State  would fund                 
  Alaska Legal Services in order that  they then bring a trial                 
  forth against the State, and then  the State pay those legal                 
  fees.  Ms. Ritchie agreed that does  happen.  Representative                 
  Brown inquired if  the amount requested in  the supplemental                 
  was the  Department's best  estimation of  the amount  which                 
  would be due to  Alaska Legal Services.  Ms.  Ritchie stated                 
  it  was, given  the settlement  negotiations resulting  from                 
                                                                               
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  those three cases.                                                           
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown stressed  that  Alaska Legal  Services                 
  exists primarily to  provide low  income citizens access  to                 
  the  civil courts.   She  emphasized the importance  of that                 
  service.                                                                     
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS                                                    
                                                                               
  Ms.  Slagle  indicated that  Section  4(a &  b) supplemental                 
  request would cover the Cleary court fines for FY95 and FY96                 
  contempt case.                                                               
                                                                               
  DEAN  GUANELI, CHIEF  ASSISTANT  ATTORNEY GENERAL,  CRIMINAL                 
  DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT OF  LAW,  stated  that  the  requested                 
  amount would only cover fines through  the month of October,                 
  1995.   The  Department  of Corrections  has been  unable to                 
  comply with the population limits  established in the Cleary                 
  order for the  past three months;  fines have resulted  from                 
  that also.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Mr. Guaneli noted that the appropriation would be contingent                 
  on the money being  placed back into the general fund.   The                 
  plaintiffs believe that  the fines should be  made available                 
  so as to improve the condition  of prisoners statewide.  The                 
  court has yet to rule on that issue.                                         
                                                                               
  Ms. Slagle commented  that the bill  only covers the  period                 
  through October  because of  the time  when it  was drafted.                 
  The amount of  fines due are  not always agreed  upon.   Mr.                 
  Guaneli pointed  out that  each month  there is  uncertainty                 
  regarding the amount due.  He noted that the fines fluctuate                 
  widely.   Representative  Mulder requested  clarification of                 
  the   amount  fined   the  Department  of   Corrections  for                 
  overfilling.  Mr. Guaneli provided him that amount.                          
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 96-32, Side 1).                                            
                                                                               
  Representative Martin commented  on the comfortable services                 
  offered offenders.  Mr. Guaneli emphasized that  the numbers                 
  which drive the fines  are the number of prisoners  entering                 
  the system  not the services.   He concluded,  regardless of                 
  the fines due,  the State  needs to have  adequate space  to                 
  contain the number of prisoners.                                             
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                                      
                                                                               
  Ms.  Slagle outlined that  Section #5  (a &  b) supplemental                 
  budget  request  identifies excess  funds in  the foundation                 
  program  and  then  appropriates those  funds  as  grants to                 
  school districts in order to  address the disparity problem.                 
  Co-Chair Hanley requested further information regarding that                 
                                                                               
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  condition.                                                                   
                                                                               
  KAREN   REHFELD,   DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF   ADMINISTRATIVE                 
  SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, commented that last  year                 
  the  Department was  aware of  changes on the  federal level                 
  which would affect the impact  aid program and the disparity                 
  test.  The dollar  amounts were not available at  that time.                 
  Changes on the  federal level resulted from  the percentages                 
  of disparity between the wealthiest district and the poorest                 
  district.  Disparity has been reduced to a 20% margin level.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley  requested a  written  explanation from  the                 
  Department of  how disparity works.   He thought  that there                 
  could be numerous  options to deal  with that concern.   The                 
  federal   government   has   kept   decreasing  the   amount                 
  appropriated  with   the  intention  of   discontinuing  the                 
  program.   Representative Mulder  asked if  the State  would                 
  loose the impact aid funds without the disparity test.                       
                                                                               
  EDDY  JEANS, PROGRAM  SPECIALIST, SCHOOL  FOUNDATION, SCHOOL                 
  FINANCE, DEPARTMENT  OF EDUCATION, explained that the school                 
  districts would  not loose the impact aid funds, but rather,                 
  the State would loose the ability  to measure those funds in                 
  the State distribution  plan.  Mr.  Jeans commented that  in                 
  FY96,  there would be $35 million  dollars in the foundation                 
  formula.   Impact aid  funds come in  for military dependent                 
  students and students who  reside on Indian lands.   Race is                 
  not an factor.                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder  questioned the net impact  should the                 
  disparity test not be in compliance.  He was curious if more                 
  money would then go  to the above mentioned locations.   Mr.                 
  Jeans replied if the impact aid  funds are not recognized in                 
  the foundation formula, a $35 million dollar gap would exist                 
  resulting  in a proration of the unit value of approximately                 
  $2500 dollars per instructional unit.   Representative Brown                 
  requested that a "break down"  be provided by the Department                 
  indicating how  each school  district would  be affected  if                 
  disparity was not met.                                                       
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION                                     
                                                                               
  Ms. Slagle referenced Section #6(a & b) in  the supplemental                 
  budget request  noting that  the first  change indicated  in                 
  Attachment  #1  reflects this  concern.   There  is  need to                 
  change language  so that  the lapse  funds would  go to  the                 
  Prevention  Mitigation Account.   The request  would provide                 
  for  an  extension  of  the  funding  for  the  storage tank                 
  assistance program.   Co-Chair  Hanley asked  the amount  of                 
  money to be carried forward.                                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  JIM  HAYDEN,  PROGRAM  MANAGER,   UNDERGROUND  STORAGE  TANK                 
  PROGRAM, DIVISION OF SPILL PREVENTION & RESPONSE, DEPARTMENT                 
  OF  ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION,  responded that  $10 million                 
  dollars has been appropriated over the past years, and  that                 
  $2.5 million  dollars would need to be extended.  Currently,                 
  there are  800 applications in  waiting, a demand  of nearly                 
  $50 million dollars.   The Department is working on  ways to                 
  extend the available money which  averages around $2 million                 
  dollars per year for clean up.  The FY96 grant appropriation                 
  was $2 million dollars.                                                      
                                                                               
  Representative Brown questioned the delay of implementation.                 
  Mr. Hayden pointed  out that the  program was fairly new  to                 
  the State.   It would be used to provide grants and loans to                 
  local  government  and  private sector  for  the  upgrade of                 
  storage tanks and  for spill  clean up at  tank sites.   The                 
  Department wants to create a "fair" and conservative  way to                 
  determine grant allocation.                                                  
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME                                                  
                                                                               
  Ms.  Slagle  stated  that  Section  #7  supplemental  budget                 
  request for the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Trustee Council would                 
  extend the lapse date for approved  EVOS projects to the end                 
  of  FY97.   These  lapse  dates  have been  approved  by the                 
  Legislative    Budget    and    Audit    (LBA)    Committee.                 
  Representative  Martin  stated   that  there  would   be  an                 
  adjustment to the FY96/FY97 expenditure.                                     
                                                                               
  Ms.  Slagle  continued,  Section #8(a)  supplemental  budget                 
  request in the amount  of $32.7 thousand dollars to  pay for                 
  increased vendor compensation in increased sales of fish and                 
  game licenses.                                                               
                                                                               
  KEVIN BROOKS, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                 
  DEPARTMENT  OF  FISH AND  GAME,  advised  that  late in  the                 
  Session  last year, the Department  knew that sales would be                 
  "off the chart".   The Division  has been limited with  many                 
  restrictions.    This  request indicates  increased  license                 
  sales.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Ms.  Slagle  noted that  Section  #8(b)  supplemental budget                 
  request would provide  for a language change  addressing the                 
  scope of  the Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwin salmon  fisheries stock                 
  assessment for "equipment" to  "projects", thus allowing for                 
  public participation.                                                        
                                                                               
  Mr.  Brooks  noted   that  the  original  language   of  the                 
  appropriation was broader.  It has always been the intent of                 
  the Department to include all the above mentioned groups and                 
  to encourage public  meetings.  Co-Chair Hanley  asked if to                 
  date any of  the funds had  been spent.  Mr.  Brooks replied                 
                                                                               
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  that a large portion of the money would be spent this spring                 
  and summer to implement equipment on the streams.                            
                                                                               
  DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                     
                                                                               
  Ms. Slagle introduced  the Department  of Health and  Social                 
  Services (DHSS) Section #9(a/1)  supplemental budget request                 
  which would reduce  Aid to Families with  Dependent Children                 
  (AFDC)  in  order  to  fund  other welfare  reform  programs                 
  (Public Assistance eligibility tracking system $3.5 thousand                 
  dollars; child care  benefits, Jobs Program for  $1 thousand                 
  dollars).                                                                    
                                                                               
  JANET CLARKE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                 
  DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES, explained that the                 
  case loads for AFDC were less than anticipated when the FY96                 
  budget was  put  together.    FY96 was  authorized  at  $130                 
  million dollars; in FY95, the  Department spent $120 million                 
  dollars  total  funds.   Conservatively  estimating, changes                 
  will bring this year's program down to a $122 million dollar                 
  projection.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Ms.  Clarke  noted  that Section  9(a/2)  for  $500 thousand                 
  dollars  would  be  an investment  to  increased  child care                 
  benefits and would  be shifted from  AFDC.  She pointed  out                 
  that there has been  greater use of child care  dollars than                 
  previously anticipated.   "Transitional" child care  is used                 
  for people  who go off of  AFDC, but need to  continue their                 
  entitlement to child care benefits.  She thought that change                 
  reflected "good news" with more people going off of welfare.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley clarified that "transitional" child care was                 
  an entitlement.   Day care for  the Jobs Program would  also                 
  provide monthly "transitional" child care supplements.                       
                                                                               
  JIM  NORDLUND,  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF  PUBLIC  ASSISTANCE,                 
  DEPARTMENT OF  HEALTH AND  SOCIAL SERVICES,  noted that  the                 
  State is above the federal requirement number  of the people                 
  who need to be in the Jobs Program.                                          
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley asked  if expenditures were being  increased                 
  in other portions of  the Jobs Program.  Ms.  Clarke advised                 
  that  the   Department   is  "living"   within  the   entire                 
  appropriation,  although, the  child  care  portion of  that                 
  appropriation surpassed  what the Department  was capable of                 
  handling.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Mr. Nordlund noted that there has  been an increased draw in                 
  both the Department's  Job Program  and Natives Job  Program                 
  for child care monies.                                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Mr. Nordlund  spoke to  the reduced  case load  to the  AFDC                 
  program.  He suggested that it  could have resulted from the                 
  higher economy within Alaska or from  the rate of success in                 
  the Jobs Program.                                                            
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 96-32, Side 2).                                            
                                                                               
  Ms.  Clarke  addressed  Section  #9(b)  supplemental  budget                 
  request  for  $3.5  million  dollars  for   the  Eligibility                 
  Information System (EIS) which would  provide changes to the                 
  main   frame  system   to   meet  federal   welfare   reform                 
  requirements.  The  funds would be  shifted from AFDC.   Ms.                 
  Clarke provided the Committee with  a handout "Department of                 
  Health and  Social Services Capital  Eligibility Information                 
  Systems  Appropriations".   [Attachment  #2].    Ms.  Clarke                 
  interjected  that some federal  funds would  be reimbursable                 
  for the project.                                                             
                                                                               
  Ms. Clarke spoke  to the system  currently in use.   It  was                 
  created in  1984 and currently  is not capable  of producing                 
  necessary data to  keep the Department abreast  of essential                 
  information.    She  noted  that  the  Department  has  been                 
  successful  in receiving appropriations  and money  from the                 
  federal government  to implement  changes to  the system  to                 
  make it more appropriate for the current load.  To date, the                 
  Department has received  $4 million  dollars to upgrade  the                 
  system.  Ms. Clarke advised that the total cost would be $10                 
  million dollars.                                                             
                                                                               
  MARGO NASH,  DIVISION  OF PUBLIC  ASSISTANCE, DEPARTMENT  OF                 
  HEALTH  AND  SOCIAL  SERVICES,  spoke  to  the  Department's                 
  specific plans to implement  the EIS program.  She  provided                 
  the  Committee with  a handout  "Welfare Reform  Information                 
  Systems"  and  provided   an  overview  of   that  document.                 
  [Attachment #3].                                                             
                                                                               
  Representative Mulder proposed  tracking individuals in  the                 
  system using  electronic finger  printing.   Ms. Nash  noted                 
  that   currently  the   Department   uses  the   Eligibility                 
  Information System data base with the intent to program that                 
  system to identify when benefits were paid.                                  
                                                                               
  Representative  Mulder  questioned  the   propriety  of  the                 
  overall  appropriation.    He  compared  other   departments                 
  capital   project   needs,   specifying   particularly   the                 
  Department  of  Corrections.   He  argued that  this  was an                 
  appropriation  and  not a  supplemental  request item.   Ms.                 
  Clarke pointed out  that there are  not any requests in  the                 
  FY97 Capital Budget for this project.                                        
                                                                               
  In response to Representative Martin, Mr. Nordlund discussed                 
  the current tracking system.   Ms. Nash concluded testimony,                 
                                                                               
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  providing contracting information.                                           
                                                                               
  HB 468 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                      

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